Awoken Hermes vs B/L vs B/D Hermes: Analysis and Comparison

Introduction

Hermes is one of the oldest monsters in Puzzle and Dragons and was my starter for Fantastic. He was once heralded as a powerful leader, but has lost his edge over time. However, with the release of his Awoken Awoken Hermes evolution, Hermes once again has leadership potential. In addition, with the awakenings buff, his B/L BL Hermes form has regained popularity and power. We are now faced with a challenging decision of which Hermes evolution is best for our monster box.

Video Commentary

At a glance

Awoken
A Hermes
B/D
Hermes
B/l
BL Hermes
Type  Devil / Attacker  God / Attacker  God / Physical
Stats  815 Total
2274/1998/564
 731 Total
2974/1898/164
 745 Total
3724/1498/204
Active Green Heart Arrow Water
2 turn water skyfall
8 turn CD
Green Heart Arrow Water
8 turn CD
Green Heart Arrow Water
8 turn CD
Leader
Skill
2x HP / ATK
Water,  3x ATK
match water/fire
2x HP / ATK
Water
2x HP / ATK
Water & Light
Awakenings Skill Lock Resist Skill Boost Skill Boost Water Row
Water Row TPA blue + orb blue + orb
Skill Lock Resist Skill Boost Skill Boost Water Row
TPA Water Row Water Row
Skill Lock Resist Skill Boost Skill Boost Water Row
Devil killer Water Row
Fits on
which
teams?
Awoken Hermes Hermes
A Sun Quan Sun Quan
Skuld ult evo Skuld
Ryune Ryune
I&I I&I
Bankai Andro Andro
3069 Sarasvati
Neptune Dragon Neptune
Ryune Ryune
I&I I&I
Bankai Andro Andro
3069 Sarasvati
Blue Sonia Blonia
Neptune Dragon Neptune
Ryune Ryune
I&I I&I
Bankai Andro Andro
3069 Sarasvati
What do
you get if
FedEX &
UPS merged?
I deliver
mail faster
than those
mortals
I’m a
Psychopomp
FedUP!

Awoken Hermes A Hermes

Awoken Hermes is the clear winner when it comes to base stats, active skill, and leader skill. Even with very low HP, this can be easily compensated through the numerous physical, HP heavy water monsters and the exceptionally high RCV will be greatly appreciated. The skyfall mechanic can be invaluable as it does increase your chances of additional water matches, but can also be used to override other colour debuffs caused by various bosses.

When played as a leader, Awoken Hermes forms a powerful 4x HP / 16x ATK team when matching both water and fire orbs. This is great as you can survive essentially any attack in the game, but has constraints in your sub selection for fire orb generation. You are unable to use Andromeda Bankai Andro along with any board changer except for Mori Mori Motanari and Summer Urd summer urd. Your other option for fire and water orb generation is Merlin Rider Merlin Rider who converts hearts to fire and fire to water. You can focus on either TPA TPA matches for picking off easy floors/going fast, or capitalizing on row enhances Water Row for giant burst damage. Lastly, you have the option of pairing with Awoken I&I I&I should you wish to have augmented recovery. However, the best pairing possible is with Awoken Sun Quan A Sun Quan. This will allow you to form a 2x HP / 48x ATK / 2x RCV team when you match water and fire orbs along with using an active. The active skill clause can be problematic, but can excel in short dungeons or in coop.

When used as a sub, Awoken Hermes is a powerful choice on numerous teams except for Blue Sonia Blue Sonia and Neptune Dragon Neptune Dragon as he lacks both Physical and God typing. If you plan to use either Blue Sonia or Neptune Dragon teams, you should not make Awoken Hermes. One popular topic of debate is his viability on Sarasvati 3069 teams as both provide the skyfall buff. It is true that dual Sarasvati leaders can maintain 100% uptime on the skyfall buff, but I have found that I am not always using Sarasvati on cooldown as I sometimes save or use her prematurely to correct poor board changers. As such, Awoken Hermes can be used to fill the gaps.

Finally, you should also consider the skill up requirements as Awoken has to use Bubpys while his other two forms can be easily done with Super Kings.

B/D Hermes Hermes

B/D Hermes was once the strongest evolution choice for Hermes, but with the advent of awakenings buff and Awoken form, B/D has lost his reign. His god typing means he can fully benefit from Neptune Dragon Neptune Dragon‘s leader skill and the 3 water row Water Row awakenings add massive damage. However, his viability has greatly diminished as both B/L Hermes BL Hermes or Awoken Hermes better fulfills their role. Comparing to B/L, you are trading a row enhance and TPA for a devil killer Devil killer awakening and physical typing (to be used on Blonia Blue Sonia teams) and a significant amount of HP. The HP is more important on virtually any team team as that would allow you to survive an extra hit and the loss of TPA is negligible on row based teams teams. If you were wanting to utilize a TPA oriented team, Awoken Hermes A Hermes is the better choice due to superior stats and active.

On the bright side, B/D has the best artwork of the three evolution paths.

B/L Hermes BL Hermes

B/L Hermes has been transformed from a lackluster sub into an incredible powerhouse with the awakenings buff that granted him an extra row Water Row and devil killer Devil killer awakenings. These additional awakenings make him stronger than B/D Hermes as he can be used on more teams along with the devil killer allowing him to deal 3x more damage to devil type bosses (which are quite common).

Furthermore, many high end water row teams will want to run multiple Hermes (Hermi?) because the active is so powerful as it floods the board with water orbs and can be used in conjunction with any tri-colour board changer to form a 2/3 water board. Lastly, the most important aspect of the physical typing allows B/L to be used on Blonia Blue Sonia teams to great success.

I want to stress that the significantly larger health from B/L can allow you to survive attacks you may not normally be able to or providing an extra cushion for error.

Awoken or B/L?

This is a challenging question to answer as both are viable options on a variety of teams. I have both evolutions on Mantastic and I interchange between the two based on the situation. On my Sarasvati team, I have used both for various dungeons and my decision is based on a few factors:

  • My HP requirements
  • The need for Devil Killer
  • Do I need the additional Skyfalls
  • Is TPA or Orb Enhances going to help?

If my team needs the HP or can greatly benefit from the Devil Killer, I choose B/L. However, in longer dungeons, I will tend to choose Awoken Hermes as I can stagger my Sarasvati actives to better combo with board changers or other actives. For example, in Arena 2, I use my Awoken Hermes as it is 22 floors and gaining the additional skyfall has proven helpful.

Conclusion

Awoken and B/L are the two most viable options for Hermes. Awoken should be used if you want to have leadership potential, build a around a water TPA team, or benefit from the additional skyfall buff. B/L is used on Neptune Dragon Neptune Dragon and Blue Sonia Blue Sonia teams as Awoken lacks their required typings along with having superior HP and Devil Killer.

To reiterate why B/D Hermes is the weaker choice:

  • He is outclassed by B/L BL Hermes because the loss of a single row is outweighed by the significantly larger HP and Devil Killer Devil killer awakening. Most water teams are row based so his TPA goes largely to waste while the extra HP allows you to survive larger hits which is important on a teams without a health multiplier
  • On most other teams, Awoken A Hermes is the optimal choice due to the heavier RCV stats, awakenings, and active. RCV is one of the most important stats as it allows you to restore your health after surviving an attack while the skyfall buff can allow you to save actives.

B/D may be stronger than either option in a few cases, but will never be the best choice in any scenario.

Let me know which evolution path you will be choosing.

Happy Puzzling!

Advertisements

33 thoughts on “Awoken Hermes vs B/L vs B/D Hermes: Analysis and Comparison”

  1. Nice informative post! I was leaning towards Awoken but after consideration I think I may go B/L. RCV on Neptune Dragon is good enough to still use Awoken but I think you’re correct about the additional use due to devil killer and extra row. Thanks for the post as usual!

    Like

    1. Well awoken cannot be used on Neptune dragon so that automatically makes him the worst of the 3 =P I actually made two B/L on Fantastic to use on my Blonia team. He is just too good too pass up on

      Like

        1. HP gives the biggest bang for buck in terms of raw stats due to physical typing; however, you do raise a good point about Devil Killer and attack latents. They will provide a significant boost against devil bosses, but very little otherwise due to low base attack. However, if you have attack latents to spare (and better monsters for HP ones, think Blonia) you can put on B/L Hermes.

          Like

      1. Awoken can definitely be used on Neptune Dragon; the lack of God type currently only causes you to miss out on an RCV buff (the upcoming uuevo may change this, but that remains to be seen). Even then, B/L and B/D Hermes hardly offer a great amount of RCV themselves.

        Like

        1. But Neptune Dragon boosts ATK and RCV for Gods so you are losing out there too. It’s just not as ideal and if Neptune follows suit as Ra D and gains HP, it would be even worse

          As for the RCV, full +297 on B/L is still 400+ which is significant

          Like

  2. Glad I have two Hermes! One B/D and one Awoken here we goooo

    Also, spotted a typo! hope you don’t mind me poking you about these…

    “We are not faced with a challenging decision of which Hermes evolution is best for our monster box.” shouldn’t it be “We are now faced with a challenging decision”?

    Like

    1. It is always great when you have dupes =D

      And I do not mind typo finding, it means future readers will have an even more enjoyable experience! It also reassures me that people read what i write XD. One thing I have learned is that the internet population as a whole are a fantastic editor and will spot mistakes right away!

      Like

  3. HI mantastic i know this is a hermes article but in this godfest i got wukong and shedar, i already had apollo, LMeta and facet, do you think i can make a team with these guys?
    Thanks in advance

    Like

  4. Such a bummer, since Psychopomp has by faaaaaar the best art of the three T_T I guess mine is just fated to be a cheerleader forever =/

    Like

  5. Very helpful article, thank you. Is there a plan to do this for others with multiple contextually viable paths as well? (Apollo, Indra, Okuninushi, Haku, Loki etc.)

    Looks like I will be leaving my Hermes un-uevo’d at this time until there’s a role he could fill.

    Like

  6. I run beach Eschamali on my Saras team for that pacing out of skyfalls. With the superior stats of A. Hermes, do you think he is better, or do we love those orb enhances way too much?

    (the team consists of Saras, B. Eschamali, Blonia, Ryune or Summer Urd, and a flex of Nut/A.Isis/A.orochi/Nepdra)

    Like

    1. Orb Enhances make a huge difference with Beach Escha as you gain 7 vs 2. With Sarasvati, the value of orb enhances is apparent when forming water combos instead of rows from naturally occuring orbs. You only need rows for Annihilation content etc as 100x on 3 combos is enough already. So I would stuck with your Escha in most cases

      Like

      1. that was what I was thinking, but your post got me thinking about it since I recently pulled Hermes. B/L all the way for me. Blonia and Nepdra will be so pleased.

        Like

  7. Hey! I just got hermes from a totally unrelated godfest, but he seems like a decent sub for Meridionalis. Would his triple row evo be better or should I go awoken? Since he is getting a revo soon, maybe awoken is the obvious choice but Im still wondering.

    Like

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s